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I hope this is the appropriate place to address these questions- I am two weeks post takedown and although I will give this experience a few months, I am already considering going back to an ileostomy. 

 

The surgeon I selected is very experienced (used to be a surgeon at Cleveland Clinic, and sold the J pouch fairly hard as being "just like before the colitis" with slightly more BMs and didn't really explain what issues might go along with it.

 

I had a two step procedure, with a loop ileostomy for three months until two weeks ago.  I had difficulty adjusting to the ileostomy due to its high output, fear of leaks, and nighttime emptying.  At first I felt like an alien, but since that time it became kind of normal to me.  Due to the positioning of the stoma, right around my belt line, I also could not zip up my pants, and had to constantly loosen my pants to allow stool to pass down into the bag.  It felt very awkward.  However, I felt 100% better than the colitis, never spent much time in the bathroom anymore aside from changes (which took me 20-30 minutes every 4 days), and could live my life, albeit with the constant anxiety of touching the bag to see how full it was all the time.  I assume the higher output is because it was a loop ileo and not an end ileo.

 

After getting the takedown procedure done, it almost feels like I have ulcerative colitis again, and I am wondering if it might not be better long-term to remove the pouch and stick with an end ileostomy.  I am only going to the bathroom 4-7 times/day, but the experience so far is very unpleasant.  I wanted to check with others for advice to see, in your experiences how much of my problems might subside, and which are permanent aspects of J pouch life.  My thought on an end ileostomy is that it would have lower output than my loop ileostomy (Maybe emptying 4-6 times daily, whereas with my loop I was typically emptying 10-15 times daily and several times at night), but also eliminate all of the pain, burning and pressure sensations I am having with the J pouch, assuming these are permanent.

 

One of the main issues I am having is just the sensation of the pouch- it almost feels like I have the ileostomy bag wedged up my butt instead of on my hip, and there are uncomfortable feelings of rectal pressure, especially when sitting.  Whenever I sit down, as soon as I stand up, there is rectal pressure and it feels like I may have to have a BM. I am a dentist, and have to sit all day, so the uncomfortable sensations from the J pouch, if permanent, are a dealbreaker for me.

 

When I do have to have a BM, it is like an endless stream of flaming stool, despite my using generous amounts of desitin or calmoseptin.  Are J pouch bowel movements always burning like this?  Do I have to live my life taking constant baths and lubing my bottom with creams? I rather liked not having to have the pains and sensations associated with bowel movements when I had the ileostomy, and right now, it feels like I am back to a milder form of ulcerative colitis but with flaming excrement.  The pouch also is harder to produce stool with, and I already have given myself a hemorrhoid from straining.  It almost feels like someone just moved the ileostomy to my rectum and exposed my skin to its burning contents.

 

At night, I get woken up several times each night with rectal pressure and gas pains.  I get up, sit on the toilet, and nothing comes out.  Back to bed, twenty minutes later, same idea.  Under the surgeons' direction I have been taking metamucil which has not improved the condition.   I had surgery to get out of the bathroom and feel healthy, but the J pouch feels anything but normal to me.  I hated the ileostomy when I had it, but now that I realize a 'normal life' as it was before UC is not possible, I think it may be the lesser of the two evils.

 

Does anyone know if these issues subside over time?  Alternatively, is it crazy of me to consider going back to an ileostomy?  I am scared as heck of more surgery, but I also want to feel well and get on with my life in a comfortable manner.  It is possible that I go back to an end ileo and never sleep a full night due to output, or have other complications as a result.

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I'm only six weeks post-takedown, and I have had similar experiences of pressure, feeling like I need to go (but I can hold it), gas, and having to get up at night. I was diagnosed with cuffitis, and I've been on Pentasa and hydrocortisone suppositories for the last four weeks. My surgeon also suspects irritable pouch syndrome, so I've started a low dose of anti-depressant. I don't know if it's the meds that are helping, but it is getting better. The pressure pains are decreasing, even though I still have a lot of gas. I think two weeks is not nearly enough time to start thinking of a permanent ileostomy--I was practically still in the hospital at that point. Each week I feel a little better. I'm going back to work in another week, and I think I'll be fine. 

 

So hang in there! It will get better. But be sure to share your concerns with your doctor--you might have something else going on that can be treated. 

Polaris,

I am a k poucher (pouch on abdominal wall with a stoma exit and intubation to empty contents) and not a j poucher so bear with me on my response.

Your pouch is just a baby...not even an adolecent and you already  are at a level of control that most pouchers would envy... around 7 trips to the bathroom/day? Wow! and so soon out...you are doing just great!

What you are describing sounds like your pouch is either just getting used to itself of the begining of pouchitis (gas, bloating, frequency without always getting output, desire to go but nothing coming out...) and you may require a run on cipro or some other antibiotic...please ask your surgeon.

As for the dreaded butt burn, well there are 2 processes going on. Yes, your output is more acidy...no colon to filter things and they come out liquidy so you are going to get burn...but, your private parts will get somewhat tougher over time (with my abdominal stoma...I cried for weeks until it "toughened up" and now I no longer feel anything at all...so use barrier creams, bidets are your best friend or at least a squirt bottle of water, moist towelettes with a mild solution (baby wipes?)  or any other method to keep things squeeky clean down there...

This is way too soon to give up.

You remind me of me when I had an implant done.

I could feel it constantly with my tounge, it hurt, did not feel natural and I was afraid to bite down or chew...1 yr later I barely know that it is there....

Your body and mind need time to adapt to this new biology and get acustomed to it..so be patient and give yourself some time.

Sharon

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I second the advice of addressing your concerns with the surgeon -- but also noting two weeks is not a long time at all.    There are also lots of variables right now that you have to get a handle on.  If you have a non-leaking pouch, that's the first great thing!   

 

Hang in there and give it a bit of time!  Also, I have a bidet that I use and I think it is pretty helpful (I am three weeks out from "new" takedown.)    I'd be extra cautious now, too, about diet -- maybe stick to some soft foods the best you can .. get things under control and add a new food to test?  However, your pouch does have some learning to do!

give it another 4 weeks at least. all of this is normal at the beginning.

 

do you take any immodium? that helps to reduce the acidity of the output. also once your output starts firming up a bit you will find it easier to pass gas without having to go to the toilet. I find when lying down in bed at night, if im on my right side and I feel the pressure in the pouch from gas, I relax and the gas moves to the pouch outlet and then I can gently release it. I don't try this when standing during the day though

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