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Hey All,   (sorry for length)

After a solid 11 yrs post takedown without any significant issues, the past 4-5 months have been very frustrating.  As I've posted previously, I began to get very bad stomach (gut) cramps/aches/pains, bloating and associated feelings of fatigue and frustration.  I would cycle through weeks that were awful and some that were "OK."  I went through some testing and was examined by my surgeon, all was clear.  No sign of pouchitis (also no increased frequency or associated diarrhea).  Unfortunately the pains would never subside for more than a day or two at a time.  It's reminded me of the lack of quality of life I had when sick with UC.  Though my surgeon wanted me to see a gastro in NYC, I choose someone closer to me due to cost and convenience.  I did not (and still do not) believe there is an issue with my pouch.  My new GI initially suggested my symptoms were consistent with SIBO and we decided to treat as a test (Xifaxin).  Unfortunately, felt no real change during the course and was no better off after.  We next did the breath test as a follow-up, which came back "borderline positive," for both H and M.  This time we tried Xifaxin+Flagyl.  The addition of Flagyl, in my opinion, made all the difference.  It was 10 days of bliss (except I caught the flu and bronchitis), but my gut was flat, pain-free and I wasn't paying any mind to it (which is the goal). Sadly, not even 48 hours after this course of ABs, symptoms returned and the past handful of days have been pretty painful, unless I don't eat.  I spoke to my GI again, and he is somewhat insistent that he scope my pouch before choosing to prescribe any more ABs/meds.  I understand his thinking, however, I've done a lot of reading of research papers, blogs, podcasts, etc and really think I've nailed my own diagnosis.  So I have 2 questions....

1) Believe it or not, I've never had my pouch fully scoped since takedown.  Even though I know it is fine and not causing the above, GI still wants to cross it off the list before continuing.  Because I've never had it scoped, I'm pretty nervous.  The pouch has made all the difference to my life and I am very protective over it.  My GI is not a pouch expert, but has studied at both Cedars-Sinai and Mt. Sinai, and is experienced in our anatomy and has scoped pouches previously.  Nevertheless, I am still nervous about this.  Can I expect something  very similar to all of my colonoscopies?  Is the prep they suggest OK? (2 fleet enemas PM/AM).  I haven't had to give myself an enema in 10+ yrs.  Is it different w/the anastomosis?  Can anyone offer any advice on what to expect (and humor me in telling me that no harm can come to the pouch)?

2) I've become certain that my issue is linked to an issues with my intestine's MMC, and I can even track this back to a significant food poisoning issue.  Research is significantly suggesting that damage to the MMC can and will lead to SIBO and all of its symptoms.  It became very clear to me this week, as I felt awful, that the motility of my entire gut really comes to a crashing halt when things aren't going well.  I have almost no movement or gas, and I use the restroom even less frequently (which is wild for a j-pouch)....essentially constipation.  Even when I do move my bowels, it is taxing and almost impossible to pass stool (which is spackle-like in its consistency).  Also, NO gas being passed.

I believe that another strong course of ABs to help eradicate some/all of the overgrowth, with the help of a pro kinetic and diet change (ugh), I will be in a lot better shape.  Can anyone speak to pro-kinetics or long-term AB use for SIBO?  Or am I giving up carbs for good?

Thanks,
Ken

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You’re probably right, Ken, but I think your pouch ought to be scoped anyway.

When I was treated for SIBO it was a several-month course of doxycycline. Other than tummy aches from the doxy it did the job very nicely. I think you may have been treated too briefly.

People differ on how often a pouch ought to be scoped. A big part of it is the cancer risk, so folks with FAP or prior dysplasia should get scoped more often. Even a perfectly functioning pouch should be scoped now and then, and although you’re convinced it isn’t your pouch, your gut certainly isn’t perfect, and pouch issues ought to be ruled out. A pouchoscopy is a nothing procedure, IMO. It’s quick, and generally requires no sedation (though some request it). The biggest deal is when lazy practices order a full colon prep to clean out an itty bitty pouch, but you’ve been given a very reasonable prep (though I’d recommend replacing the Fleet’s solution with warm tap water). If you skip dinner the night before things will be emptier.

Good luck!

Last edited by Scott F

After 11 years it is time for a scope, even if you have no symptoms. A couple of Fleet enemas will do no harm at all. But, if you are constipated and not even moving gas, a couple of Fleets may not clean things out enough. Regardless, it is time to check out the pouch and rule it out as part of your issues. 

Jan

I agree with both of you, its (beyond) time for the pouch to be scoped.  I guess since I've never had it done and basically have had little issues, I'm afraid to rock the boat.  And the fact that it is much different than our old colonoscopies makes it unfamiliar.  I guess I'm just nervous that the "j-pouch" still isn't widely known (or maybe it is and I'm unaware of that).  But, my GI has sufficient experience with them, so that should be more than adequate.  

I do agree with you though, Jan.  If I'm having a hard time moving things along, I don' know how clean I'll be.  I'll do liquids for most of the prior day.  Either of you have any advice regarding the enema?  I've never dared to insert anything or touch the anastomosis site....

Thanks Scott, always appreciate your input and wisdom!  While I wouldn't mind skipping the sedation to be able to drive myself home, I think it might be a good idea for me to have a little something this 1st time, being as though I'm a bit stressed about it.  Have you been able to carry on normal activities after (ie, go to work)?  I do have someone to drive me home, so that isn't an issue.  By the way, regarding the warm tap water enema - are you just using water straight from tap?  Not sanitized/boiled off/microwaved?

I just use straight tap water at an appropriate temperature. It’s not being poured into a clean-room environment. I don’t find any subsequent limitations from the procedure, and generally work afterwards. Sedation changes that, though. Some sedation agents, like propofol, wear off very quickly but can be expensive.

Thanks again Scott - appreciate your time and advice.  Luckily (and strangely) I work at the hospital where I'm being scoped and will probably run into my GI tomorrow prior to Wednesday's scope.  I will ask him what he traditionally does for sedation.  

Of course, all this time, my gut has been behaving w/o any real pains...just a few cramps now and again.  

Thanks to both of you for your advice and kind words. Everything went well, in and out within an hour. I took the sedation, just to not have to worry about a thing. If you're interested in the results....

No strictures, no inflammation at rectal cuff, pouch mucosa normal. 1cm non-bleeding ulcer at afferent/efferent junction (biopsied). Afferent and efferent limbs normal. 1cm polyp, inflammatory, in pouch (biopsied). No idea where/how an ulcer and polyp came from, awaiting pathology.

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