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Thanks, as usual Kathy....as always, the French exaggerated a bit but there you go...there is a second article linking marijuanan use and the slower development of the adolecent brain.
"Persistent cannabis users show neuropsychological decline from childhood to midlife" was the second article that they are citing right now...The article is from the PNAS so that is the title of the link. (don't know how to do it like Kathy does!)...
Sharon
Any drug you take, prescription or otherwise, will have some sort of side-effects. The same applies to a lot of things we do in daily life - foods we eat, using microwaves & cell phones, etc.

The fact of the matter is that medical marijuana is still a lot safer than most prescription drugs out there, especially if you're not smoking it. Just listen to the quick "disclaimer" at the end of any drug commercial, or read through the list of possible side-effects of any of the prescription drugs in your closet, and you see what I'm talking about. Even Tylenol and ibuprofen are both quite dangerous if you don't use them in proper moderation.

I looked up the particular study that was mentioned in the article you posted a link to ( Study of Recreational Drug Use and Testis Cancer) and it states that the testicular cancer risk for marijuana users was two times the normal risk, not ten. It also stated that regular cocaine use can lower your risk for the same cancer.

Personally I have found that when claims are made about a drug raising the risk of some type of cancer or whatever, we are usually talking about pretty minuscule numbers. For example the risk of leukemia might be raised from 0.02% to 0.1% or some such, and even though it is "five times the risk", it is still pretty negligible in my book. That part is just my own opinion, though.

I would wager that the aspartame in Diet Coke is more dangerous than medical cannabis. Do the research and see.... I have.

As with all medical and health-related decisions, we just have to weigh the associated risks compared with the benefits and ask ourselves what would do the most good... And of course the answer will always be different for different people depending on their priorities.
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What part of Oregon? Just curious since I am from Oregon and my family still lives up there. I will be driving up from the bay area for Thanskgiving.

And I'm really not sure why it was so easy to buy there. Here in Cali you have to have a card to even get in to a dispensary or co-op... Rules are pretty strict since so many have been shut down in recent years. Maybe there the laws are a little more lax in Oregon?
Hi,
i've been using medicinal Marijuana for two years now and KNOW it is a miracle drug. Having lived in Holland in my 20's I always used it for my pouch and for fun too. Now that it's recognized as a beneficial drug for pouches/all IBD diseases, I can shout about it from the roof tops. I've already mentioned how great it is here but I'll do so again. If suffering from gas/blockage/loose bowels it will arrest the symptoms immediately. It is a proven anti-inflammatory and works well even for asthma patients! (smoked) I get a perscription of 40 mg a month and that lasts me even longer than the month usually. I take a puff at night to sleep through the night with no leakage, and often after a meal to aide digestion (which it does, wonderfully). It can get you high, but being a seasoned user, I know how to handle that, and prevent it by taking very few puffs. I'm sorry it isn't available to all.
Tami
Amusing, if only for the fact a cartoon show is being cited as a source of information about a conspiracy theory!

What is relevant, is can anything be done to get a drug that has use and merit off the list of "no medical use" according to the government? Times are slowly changing, but of course, for those who could use another option, not fast enough. Regulations on this vary widely from state to state, and it is still illegal at the federal level.

Jan Smiler
a federal appeals court took oral arguments a couple of weeks ago on a petition to move marijuana off the DEA's schedule 1 controlled substances list, something advocates have been trying to get done since the 1970s. To be classified as level 1 you must meet the following 3 criteria:
  • The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
  • The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
  • There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

The petitioners argue there is ample evidence that none of the 3 apply. The federal government disagrees. They won't accept any of the medical study findings because it doesn't meet their very rigorous definitions for acceptance. The advocates say they would comply, but the DEA has done their best to systematically block them from doing so (a policy also under review).

There was a previous petition started in the 1970s that was defeated in the 90s. That's right, it lasted for over 20 years in the court. This current case is an appeal to a petition filed in 2002. To shed some light, cocaine and methamphetamine are schedule 2 substances because of their medical uses.

Does your head hurt yet?

Edit - Some info to any interested. http://reason.com/blog/2012/10...t-hears-challenge-to
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Amusing, if only for the fact a cartoon show is being cited as a source of information about a conspiracy theory!
There's nothing to laugh about though, it is relevant.
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Newspaper mogul William Randolph Hearst's empire of newspapers began publishing what is known as "yellow journalism", demonizing the cannabis plant and putting emphasis on connections between cannabis and violent crime. Several scholars argue that the goal was to destroy the hemp industry, largely as an effort of Hearst, Andrew Mellon and the Du Pont family. They argue that with the invention of the decorticator hemp became a very cheap substitute for the paper pulp that was used in the newspaper industry. They also believe that Hearst felt that this was a threat to his extensive timber holdings.
Legal history of cannabis in the United States
Lion, It continues to boggle my mind at how steadfast the government has been on this topic, even to the point of preventing useful research for a very long time. We can buy as much alcohol we want over the counter, when it has been proven to be toxic in inappropriate amounts, has a very high abuse potential, and very little medical value. Same for tobacco. Yet marijuana is grouped in the same category for narcotic control as LSD?!?

Personally, I would like to see more validated research, so that non-smoked delivery can be the goal. If Norml can get us there, more power to them!

As to the relevance of this topic, what IS relevant is how it relates to the j-pouch and the members here who are interested in using it for symptoms. How we go forward...
Who takes the blame for the legal status in history is not relevant to this forum.

Jan Smiler
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If Norml can get us there, more power to them!


Thankfully it is moving past just Norml. Although they mean well and have been a force for the longest period of time, they have a reputation and public image that is more obstacle than anything. Thankfully there are a growing contingent of researchers and physicians joining collations to help lend academic support and credibility to this issue.

Most recently this past summer 4 researcher's from UC San Diego's center for medicinal cannabis research published an article in the open neurology journal examining and reviewing whether cannabis can be useful in medicine. They do a great job of summarizing and aggregating all the trials and present an algorithm for physicians to help determine if cannabis is right for treatment. The have since called the DEA's stand on marijuana 'untenable'.

Link to Journal Article - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pm...3358713/?tool=pubmed

Why is this important? Because as so many here have shown, just in our narrow segment of disease, this stupid weed that is one of the easiest plants on this planet to grow can be tremendously helpful. By moving it off the scheduled list, or more likely, down a peg or two you make it much easier and cheaper for researchers to conduct clinical trials and blaze a trail towards medical legalization.

I'm not even a pot smoker, but it is a hot button for me when government gets in the way of medical advancement.
True that.

I was going to say something like nothing we do or say here is going to change things, and it seems we're all just preaching to the choir here, so let's get back on topic... but then I realized that speaking up in public forums like this IS one of the only things we can really do to spread awareness and change perception of the public.

So speak on, my brethren. It's lovely to hear so many seemingly smart, upstanding (non-druggie) citizens willing to respond on this topic.
The new Socialist French government is trying to decriminalise it here in France and hitting a gravel wall (crumbling quickly...problem being that if decriminalised then what is to stop kids from coming to school stoned...we cannot decriminalise and forbide at the same time)...we are getting different articles on the news nearly weekly on the positive medical usage or the negative 'dangerous' or toxic usage...it is legal for chemo usage and other medical usages here and supplied openly by pharmacies in its pure THC form. Also small quantities for personal usage are not punishable by law, just the purchase or sale.
Sharon
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The new Socialist French government is trying to decriminalise it here in France and hitting a gravel wall (crumbling quickly...problem being that if decriminalised then what is to stop kids from coming to school stoned

I don't know about France, but why not put a age limit on it, like they do with liquor here in the USA?
I doubt that laws prevent kids from coming to school stoned, drunk, or otherwise impaired (such as taking Mommy's Valium). People are going to do what they want regardless of the laws. I suppose it is supervision in the home, how a person is raised and what their values are that determine how they conduct themselves in public. Kids that get drunk or stoned and go to school have other issues going on that need to be addressed. If they can't get pot, they will find something else. Isn't that how huffing started, or abuse of cough syrup?

I often wondered what the impact on our economy would be if some drugs were legalized and taxed and not part of a black market, similar to alcohol and tobacco? Plus, lots of crime that revolves around obtaining and distributing drugs. Might that go away, like crime associated with prohibition of alcohol? Lots of lobbies out there for various groups that stand to lose something if it is decriminalized.

I found it interesting when traveling just around the U.S., how wine is treated. In California, you can buy wine anywhere (wine is a major product here). But in many states (mostly those with few to no wine producers), you can only buy beer widely (as if you cannot get drunk with beer), and wine can only be purchased at a state liquor store. Can't help but wonder if the beer lobby has something to do with that.

I enjoy my wine. It does not alter my pouch function, and I don't get drunk.

Jan Smiler
They are suggesting it, like for alcohol (18) and cigarettes (16 if I am not wrong) but between law and inaction of law there is a huge gap...I've had kids come to class drunk or hide a bottle in the men's room and go for a toot every 1/2hr...(until I stopped them and trust me, it was not for medical usage)...we are not allowed to breath test the kids for alcohol so what do you do for drugs?
Sharon
ps...I am for anything that works for you if you are sick...I am just really scared of what they call here...'derapage' meaning slipping out of the lines...
Sharon
Very well said Jan! I was valedictorian of my graduating class, smoking up and all. Just like you said, if you go to class drunk/stoned that's your choice, and if they want to bad enough, they'll find a way to get like that. Most people who have self control and know about moderation can live a very fulfilling life while enjoying smoking weed and drinking, as long as it's at the right time and not abused.
I don't teach highschool, so there is no principal's office possible...I teach MBA, business schools etc where mommy and daddy pay a fortune for us to teach their delicate progeniture...result? I reported the kids, took it to the Directrice who called the parents...who yelled at me and got me fired for 'upsetting the delicate balance' of power (he who pays has the power).
The fact that they were in class, drunk Friday evening class and still drunk for Monday morning 8am class shocked me. Apparently, according to the parents, their kids don't drink, smoke or take drugs.
I have spoken to parents about their kids illness (constant diareaha, vomitting, blood in stool [sound familiar?]or passing out in class, ) and told that their kids are just fine and to mind my own business. Parents denial is boundless...
Or is it just French parents?
Back to topic....the lobbies control the government that controls the laws...or at least that is what it seems...so I guess that we are going to have to lobby our governments if possible...of wait until there is a legislator who falls ill with UC or Crohns and finds him/herself in a pickle that only TCH or another prohibited drug can help.
Anyone care to run for government (I personally would vote for Jan)
Sharon
I wouldn't run for office on a bet! PTA was bad enough! We have the same pushy parents here too that think their kids are saints and geniuses. Public opinion changes slowly, so I guess it will happen.

As to adult students showing up to class drunk/stoned, I guess it is right that it is their business. As long as they don't disrupt the class nothing you can do other than give them the grades they earn. If they do disrupt, kick them out, unless students have more rights in France. Here, you agree to abide by the rules or you get the boot, no refunds. I never got calls from college when my kids fell behind. They flunked and had to repeat classes.

The sad news is that often the sick kids get swept up with the bums, and wind up having to drop out because there is no lifeline for those who miss class due to illness. But, I guess that is another topic.

Jan Smiler
My datacenter is shutdown right now thanks to Sandy so I've been refreshing myself on this issue out of boredom. It's hard to sort the wheat from the chaff in terms of reasoning because, frankly many potheads are conspiracy theorists. Still, from what I've seen there is some credible information that it's actually the industrial applications that are behind a lot of this.

Hemp is apparently a 6 billion dollar a year industry and that's largely with no presence in the united states and europe. Hemp is cheap, incredibly easy to grow almost anywhere and more durable than cotton. There are somewhat credible reports that the american textile lobby (cotton) is a big part of why the federal government is so adamant in their position.

The oil from the seeds is also apparently sought after in the cosmetics industry and starting to gain ground in the nutritional market. Believe it or not the seed oil has been found to be a great source of omega fatty acids, behind only fish oil in concentration. There is also experimentation underway that is start to show it's a good base for biodiesel.

I'm getting off the thread track, but there you have it.
Connecticut became the 17th and newest medical marijuana state on October 1, 2012. Attached is the text of the House Bill:

http://search.cga.state.ct.us/...2HB-05389-R00-HB.htm

The act says that it can be used to treat a "debilitating medical condition", defined as "cancer, glaucoma, positive status for human immunodeficiency virus or acquired immune deficiency syndrome, Parkinson's disease, multiple sclerosis, damage to the nervous tissue of the spinal cord with objective neurological indication of intractable spasticity, epilepsy, cachexia, wasting syndrome, Crohn's disease, Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, or any other medical condition, medical treatment or disease approved by the Department of Consumer Protection pursuant to regulations adopted under section 14 of this act."

UC and pouchitis are not specifically mentioned and are thus subject to approval by DCP.

Qualified patients are allowed to possess up to 2.5 ounces.
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If Crohn's ok then UC and j-pouch should be no problem.


I don't know how easy it would or would not be, but under the statute patients with Crohn's appear to stand on a different footing than those with UC or pouchitis, who would have to seek DCP approval for treatment of their condition with marijuana. I don't know at this stage how bureaucratic and layered that step might be. It could be as easy as the disease(s) being approved in regulations adopted under the Act. If not, my guess is that the wording of the medical report submitted in support might be very important.

One thing that is strange is that there is a hidden tax on marijuanua use in this Act. Connecticut State taxpayers are not paying for the costs of administering this program. The qualifying patients have to pay a fee to DCP to offset the costs of administering the program. That is in addition to whatever the marijuana will cost them.
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The qualifying patients have to pay a fee to DCP to offset the costs of administering the program. That is in addition to whatever the marijuana will cost them.

Must be very expensive then. You can forget about insurance companies covering it too. I already learned that from VSL#3.
The feds aren't going to include them as deductible as a prescription either.

I was just thinking about my SSDI claim CTB. UC/j-pouch wasn't on the list and I was approved but I have multiple health problems so who knows what the criteria was- and that's federal but the decision was made by the state and reviewed by feds.

I think some people think the diseases are the same thing. I still would like to try a weed brownie. I have a friend that says the pain relief lasts longer when it is injested.
I just read a favorable SSDI decision by an Administrative Law Judge and the criteria does not involve a list of so called approved diseases. There are 5 things that must be proven by someone seeking social security disability under the federal regulations and it has more to do with the conditions making the person unsuitable for gainful employment. The one I saw granted involved a woman who has fibromyalgia, severe intractable non-cancer pain and chronic depression. The application was supported by a pain management specialist and mental health specialists.

I think that same person would have a very hard time qualifying under the medical marijuana law if her pain management specialist or she wanted to go in that direction.

Haven’t been on for a long time but experiencing some night time leakage recently so I am coming back to see how others are dealing with it and saw this thread. Canada has just legalized Marijuana so I may look at it as a possible solution.

A question I have is, is there an alternative to smoking it? (I quit smoking a long time ago but know how easy it is to go back so I am reluctant to entertain smoking anything!)

Lew

I can honestly attest that since I began using Cannabis regularly the past few years for my j-pouch (pouchitis, frequency, and inflammation issues), things have improved 100%! I prefer vaping, oils, or more recently edibles. Any strains that are high in CBD are the best. CBD is non-psychoactive, meaning you won’t get “high”. It makes me feel relaxed and I sleep so much better! A small amount of THC works too, especially for folks with Chrohn’s and UC. I’ve experimented with AC/DC , Harlequin and several other high CBD, low THC strains. I live in Northern California, so the availability of specific strains will vary. CBD oils also work great but dosing is a little more challenging. I’ve been using CBD gummies before bedtime lately. They are made from organic hemp and are full spectrum. If you go to a dispensary, just ask the staff to recommend a strain(s) for you. I ask a lot of questions and they are usually very knowledgeable. I also use  some topical products for arthritis and pain issues from a car accident. They are fantastic!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion! I’ve spent hours doing research and talking to reputable doctors about the benefits of Cannabis. Don’t be so negative and close minded about it. I’ve had my j-pouch for ten years and unfortunately I have experienced some issues. Why not use something that is natural versus a prescribed medication?  Did you know that Lomotil is considered a controlled substance because it contains a form of opiates? I’m not trying to “push” anything, just offering an alternative for those who may be interested. Enough said...

Deb and Beth

i have used Lomotil in the past and it worked for me. (Supposedly Lomotil is the prescription form of Imodium but I didn’t have the same success with that). At one time I tried Pepto Bismal tablets with some success. In all these cases I found less was more I.e. 2 tablets a day as opposed to the 8 allowed.

It’s a journey not a race and we all look for what works for us. None of us need to be judged here, most of us are adults and are capable of plotting our own course and comments by some parties seem to be narrow minded lecturing and unhelpful.

Thanks for your thoughts I appreciate your suggestions!

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