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Hello all.  First thanks to everyone on here who participate and are a source of support.  I am 48 years, male, 6’4” 185.  Diagnosed with UC in 1997.  Tried all kinds of combinations of prednisone and asacol and/or 6MP or Humira or methotrexate, you get the drift.  I never could really stop prednisone for any length of time and was pretty much on it for 13+ years.  I had a 2-step J pouch procedure, starting with 1st surgery Dec 2013.  There were immediate complications with emptying via the ostomy.  Did go home pretty quick, but kept having trouble emptying and ended up nauseated and vomiting and back to the hospital.  Around 30 days there total (had an NG tube at times) before we finally arrived at the solution of leaving a rubber catheter tube inserted in the stoma, so that whatever kink was just inside the stoma would stay open, and that actually did work for many months until I was finally ready for the step 2 surgery.  Step 2 in 2014 went fine and I recovered well.  I had pretty good luck emptying the J-pouch and feeling empty.  Part of my success did involve manually pressing on my belly when needed to expel gas/waste on the commode.  I couldn’t fart standing up, and would lie on my back and press my lower abdomen to pass gas. I discovered that technique early on and it remained a way for me to empty.  Over 10 years I fared ok.  I had a couple of bowel obstructions that required hospitalization, but those cleared on their own after fluids and lots of breathing and stretching.  My GI discovered inflammation (rectal cuff I think?) at some point, changed my diagnosis to Crohn’s and started me on Stelara, which I am still taking.  There has been no evidence of inflammation since.  I’ve had 3 or 4 pouchoscopies with a dilation of the anastomosis, to help me empty better.  The first dilation was done by my GI, and the anastomosis site bled so much I was in the hospital for a week and had 2 blood transfusions.  The other dilations were done by my surgeon, with no complications.  The first dilations did seem to improve overall pouch performance.  The last couple of dilations I’ve had didn’t really seem to do much to improve things.  This year I have had more issues emptying and it’s as bad now as it’s ever been.  Feels like a lot more waste is in me at all times and can’t empty very well.  It feels like food is staying “high” and I’m struggling to get waste to go “low” so I can empty it.  Like the food is sitting right below my stomach and won’t move.  Currently having a lot of reflux.  I’ve been modifying my diet, and have been strictly low-residue diet for at least a week.  Doing normal doses of miralax daily, combined with extra sport drink and other fluids, almost no solid food, just to keep the reflux somewhat tamped down and to avoid abdominal discomfort and/or another possible obstruction. I am taking 1 daily Protonix and 1 daily Pepcid AC for that.

My surgeon’s advice after the last pouchoscopy was to return to an ostomy.  My GI has since echoed that advice, although I do wonder if GI is simply agreeing with the surgeon, or if she would have come to this conclusion independently of his analysis.  I have had two defacographies in the last two years, both were negative for issues.  My GI is scheduling me for my first anorectal manometry.  Due to the current bowel discomfort and reflux issues, I am pressing my GI to schedule a lower GI CT scan with contrast dye.  My hope is something can be identified as the current problem, that isn’t a reason to return to the ostomy.

I am able to accept returning to an ostomy, but of course it’s scary and has me grasping for alternatives.  Since I’m in crisis right now, I am desperate for relief, yet I don’t want to feel like I’ve rushed into it if another solution could get me through.  My doctors would probably say “well you’ve been having trouble with it for a while now” and they wouldn’t be wrong.  Still I am asking them questions and also wanted to ask the same questions here, in case someone here has any tips.

1.  Is there no minor surgery or “tuneup” to be done on an existing J-Pouch?  Resection or something?  Are they just “use once and throw away?”
2.  Do any diet changes come to mind?  Supplements?
3.  My surgeon isn’t offering any less drastic surgical options, but I am wondering if other surgeons might offer that.  What do know about people who lost the J-pouch but didn’t go to an ostomy?

Thank you in advance for any information and support. - Brett

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It sounds like you don’t have a clear explanation for your current predicament. It would be best to localize the problem before choosing an aggressive solution (you seem to understand this better than your doctors). The doctors may have a hypothesis that they aren’t sharing with you, but in the meantime I can’t tell if your pouch is actually causing the trouble. Your symptoms suggest (to me) a partial blockage that could easily be far away from the pouch, presumably from adhesions, but the repeated dilations suggest that there’s also a recurrent pouch stricture someplace. I’d suggest asking both doctors exactly what they know and what they suspect.

This is a tough one. Sure, there are other options, like a pouch redo. Not many surgeons have experience with it. Plus, with a Crohn’s diagnosis, you cannot really risk losing even more small intestine if the second pouch fails. With Crohn’s, preserving your small intestine is a priority, because you are at a higher risk for future bowel resections. You’ve been on lots of different meds, so I don’t know what you have not tried.

Still, I do not blame you for wanting to be sure that permanent ileostomy is your best option before proceeding. You do not want to be left wondering.

Jan

Hi - sorry you are suffering so badly.  So the problem seems to be that you are having trouble emptying the pouch fully, and getting backed up and it’s causing acid reflux and an overall feeling of illness. That sounds hellish.

The doctors don’t really know exactly what is causing your inability to empty, but that inability to empty is what is causing your reflux (potentially).

The doctors are recommending to give you an end ileostomy to get you feeling better, but they don’t have a pinpoint answer to what is causing the inability to empty, or exactly how it’s related to the reflux.

I would personally not do surgery until I figured out what is causing me to get backed up. I think it’s time to get a second opinion from a big JPouch center.

Where do you live? What is your ability to travel. There are big JPouch centers in some large cities. Dr. Feza Remzi is a famous surgeon and knows a lot about pouches (works in Long Island NYC)). You have Mayo, and Cleveland Clinic and others.

1) Trying to locate where along the GI tract is getting blocked up is key. There must be some tests. Perhaps you have a blockage or inflammation higher above the pouch, and God forbid, removing the pouch won’t help. That does not seem likely, but one would need to rule that out.

2) Maybe you have some scar tissue in the Pouch or right above it. Given that your ability to evacuate helped after the dilations points to the pouch.

3) A surgeon like Remzi would consider diverting you to a loop ileostomy temporarily and may work on the pouch for a tune-up of sorts. But you don’t have a good history of doing well with the stoma since you needed a plastic tube. I would remind everyone looking at you about that. Was that just bad luck, or something more structural in your anatomy?

4) Not to scare you - but a JPouch removal is a big complicated surgery and you really need to go to someone highly experienced. You have to ask your surgeon how many Jpouch excisions they have done.

5) After all the tests are done, and you have a better sense of what to do - you will feel better about your decision.

6) If you wind up with an end ileostomy it could be a very good outcome also. The vast majority of people that need to remove the JPouch do really well. I have a JPouch, and I have chronic pouchitis and it kinda sucks. I am considering a pouch removal, but I have more medicines to try. Sometimes some JPouchers just get tired of having  a lot of symptoms and the ileostomy is a better path.

Let us know how you are doing -

Doug

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