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I'm not on here very often, but today I need to find some information.  My son, while being 24, would never do this, so someone has to.  Was diagnosed with UC when he was 6 years old.  Had lots of exerbations as a child, at least one a year.  Things calmed down around age 15.  And then, he decided he didn't need to take any meds any more.  Well, we know where that got him.  fast forward to December, 2013.  Found a new gastro guy, he needed a colonoscopy, since it had been about 4 years.  Something was nagging me in the back of my head.  Good thing.  Did a bunch of studies, had a colonscopy in February, 2014.  Well, they found significant inflammation and took out a few polyps that came back as precancerous.  So, off to the surgeon.  He says the large intestine has to come out.  Pretty standard stuff so far.  Got a second opinion at Fox Chase in Phila, same answer.  Ok, surgery set for June 2014.  My son had to lose weight before the surgery, seriously overweight and a surgical risk.  Did it.  Had the surgery and a j-pouch done at the same time.  Dealing with the illiostomy was very difficult for him.  He also has Aspergers with a bit of OCD, and sensory integration.  So, when I saw difficult, you have no idea.  We get through the summer and get ready for the takedown surgery.  Takedown in SEPT, 3 months after original surgery.  Surgery goes well.  Pain is kind of controlled, and no apparent complications.  So we thought.  Go home, do to post op visits and he is complaining about a lot of internal pain.  Chalk it up to post surgical.  Because of my son's autism, it's sometimes to get a straight response from him.  He would tell me he was in tons of pain, and tell the doctor he was fine.  Took a while, but finally in November we went back to gastro.  He repeated the capsual study and did an abdominal CT scan.  Day before Christmas (things move slow in NJ I think) I get a call from Gastro that I need to get my son over to the hospital immediately.  The capsule study was great, no blockages, twists, nothing, so that was good news.  The CT scan, not so good.  They find an orange size abscess on his pelvic bone.  Not sure if it's in the bone or on the bone.  Ok, it's Christmas, I'm not going to the hospital, our holiday.  48 hours is not going to make a difference.  Ok, but let's put him on heavy antibiotics by mouth and when we get to hospital, go with IV.  Ok.  Get to hospital day after Christmas.  We get him settled, they hook him up and now the troops start coming in.  The surgeon is in Europe on vacay, so the surgical residents and dept head comes in.  Then Gastro comes with their residents, med students, fellows, etc.  and now Infectious Disease, the top person with her residents, fellows, and students. Did I mention, you NEVER want to be in a hospital between Christmas and New Year.  Or on the weekend.  I forget the exact timing but somewhere along the way, interventional radiology joined the party too.  They decided they needed to culture what bacteria we were dealing with and drain the abscess.  Nothing grows except for a "rare, unidentifiable " fungus.  So far, they can't find the fistulia.  Drain goes in, lots of junk comes out.  Two weeks go by, surgeon is back from vaca and he orders a drain study and her comes the fistulaa connecting the abscess to the J-pouch.  Things can't et any worse, or so I thought.  Gets admitted right then and there.  Drain is still in his back, near the base of his spine, hurts like hell.  Now the want to give him a mild bowel rest, so in goes a pick line and TPN.  This is mid January.  So now I need some opinions/advice.  We did a pouchoscopy two weeks ago and it looks like all is well.  No tears, leaks, nothing.  Last week, we do a fistula gram and well, it did not go so well.  Dye was injected into the drain and went right into the fistula and directly into thej-pouch.  Worst of all news.  Looks like the illiostomy is coming back.

 

has this ever happened to anyone else?  My surgeon had a call will Dr. Remzi in Cleveland Clinic.  (I go right to the top).  The first step is to put the illiostomy back for six months.  Next steps after than is a bit unclear.  We talked about a plug, glue, and a few other unproven options.  Rebuilding the punch is not a viable option as there is not enough small intestine to work with, so this one has to heal.  However the only way to find the leak is from the inside.  I'm glad that I'm at a hospital with a medical school, because the surgeon has the students doing all kinds of research.  That said, there are no approved studies for what needs to happen.   I asked about European studies, haven't found any.  Anyone have any ideas? Suggestions, thoughts.  I'm open to anything at this point.  I just want my son healthy.

 

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Well, one option with a long standing abscess pocket that communicates with the pouch with a fistula, is laying open the pocket to fully communicate with the pouch (making it part of the j-pouch). By that point, the pocket is fully epithelialized (lined with lining similar to the inside of the pouch). This is an additional surgery, but could possibly be done transanally. That is pretty much all I can think of for additional options.

 

I had a presacral abscess that was pretty big (drained 500cc- about the sipze of a grapefruit). But, there was no fistula, so once drained, it collapsed over the next month of chronic drainage and I have been OK. No ileostomy, just TPN for a couple of weeks.

 

Jan

Jan Dollar
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Jan, thank you for your reply.  I'm not sure I understand the answer however.  How would they lay open the abscess?  I'll mention it to the doctor if we see him tomorrow.  Right now, I am waiting for a surgical date.  Hopefully next week.  I'm assuming, but don't know as fact, that the surgeon is going to completely open him, per Dr. remzi's recommendation,  and I'm thinking that he will remove the abscess and fistula.  Just my own thoughts.  And then put back the illiostomy for 6 months to give the pouch complete rest.  Part of the problem with my son is, is that his small intestine is a little smaller the the average, the surgeon doesn't think he has the room to make a new pouch.  And there a few other concerns with his small intestine, just don't know how to spell it!  Now, the fact that Jeffrey has lost 100 lbs, maybe, just maybe the length of the intestine will not be as much of an issue because of the fat lose.  I'm just guessing.  Also, the fistula has not been there, as far as we know, for that long.  They found it in January..  As I'm re-reading your answer, something is clicking with me.  It might just be the answer we are needing.  Thank you!

 

Jeffsmom

A fistula is a small, tubular connection. What they do sometimes is cut open the fistula and abscess pocket so that it is fully opeen to the pouch. Essentially, the abscess pocket be omes part of the pouch. What causes the pain and illness associated with the abscess and fistula, is that the stoole leaks through, gets trapped, and causes infection, swelling, pressure and pain. It is sort of lime an inflamed appendix. But, if you slice open the the abscess and fistula, it becomes part of the pouch, and stool cannot get trapped.

 

Just because they did not discover the fistula until a short time ago, it does not mean it has not been there a while. The leakage leading to my abscess was assumed to have occurred at the time of surgery, but it took a month before they were able to determine its presence.

 

Jan

Jan Dollar

Jan, thank you for this information.  I'd love to hear about others' journey.  And boy, has this been a journey.  I feel like I'm never going to get off "the yellow brick road".  It seems like a never ending nightmare.  I'd like to wake up and be in sunny Floriday instead of freezing cold NJ with amother snowstorm looming over my head!

 

Jeffsmom

Well Jeff had his surgery last Thursday.  Things went well.  Our biggest issue now is pain management!  He woke up in recovery crying from the pain.  But we got through that.  Then on Sat morning, some genius thought he should be off the pain pump, wrong!  After an extremely painful afternoon and evening, I got the pump back after some bargaining with the resident.  I don't what it is with these people, but they take you off the good stuff as soon as they see you doing better!  Today was a difficult day.  The pump stopped working for a few hours and the pain returned big time.  Then the dialodid ran out!  got all of that straightened out, and then he started vomiting.  This poor kid can't catch a break!  When I left the hospital, he seemed like he was doing better.  Hopefully he can come home tomorrow .

Jeffsmom
I'm used to surgeon's taking away IV meds at least a day or two before folks go home, since of course there will be no access to things like IV Dilaudid when you go home. They generally at least like 24 hours of oral meds, to see how things go on them. Oral meds offer much longer periods of pain control vs IV, which act quickly, but are short acting. It's why with a PCA (pump), a patient may be dosing themselves every 8-10 minutes with IV meds, vs oral being, generally, 4-6 hours.
rachelraven

Jeff"s Mom,

How are You doing? In all of this craziness and pain and frustration you are not mentionning how you are holding up?

You fought the good war, hopefully won the latest battle and will win the rest...but are you eating properly? Getting enough supplements? Taking good care of yourself?

I know that in times like these you do not even figure yourself into the equation but you need some rest, some healthy nutrition and some healing laughter. (try calling a girlfriend?)

You sound like Mother Terresa and as devoted and committed as can be to your son's health and healing but he is a long term committment and you will not be around if you do not take good care of yourself too.

So do something nice for yourself once he is home and safe...a hot bath? Scented bubbles and soft music or just a nap.

I think that we all wish that we had had mother's like you.

Sharon

skn69

Sharon, you are such a sweetheart.  I'm doing ok.  I'm exhausted, as expected.  Jeff keeps wanting me to spend the night but there is no place to sleep.  I have a bad back, like up all, I guess, so it makes resting in 2 chairs painful.  And besides, Chatty Kathy keeps yapping all night long!  But I left him tonight and came home.  He is doing much better.  Pain is being managed so I don't have to worry about that thankfully.  Now I'm getting ready for bed and should be asleep in 10 minutes!  Unfortunately, I don't sleep that well, so I wake up still tired.  But I'm doing ok.  I really appeeciate your concern for my well being.  When Jeffrey is feeling better and is off all the narcotics, I'm going to go to Florida for 6 weeks.  So, I'm really looking forward to getting out of freezing NJ.  And eating is never a problem!  I eat too much.  Mostly anything I can get my hands on.  But I have been making a conserted effort to watch it this time.  I gained 30 lbs over the summer and fall, so I have to get that off.  Nothing fits!  And I. Not going to FL looking li,e a whale!  

Im falling asleep even as I write this not.  Thank you so much for your concern, really, that was so thoughtful.

 

dianne

Jeffsmom

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