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Hi all,

Here's how I've handled this issue so far. In 1992, I had the J-Pouch surgery. Complications with emptying my pouch started right away with very little (liquid to PB textured) feces coming out no matter how hard I'd tried. My surgeon suggested that the autonomous nerve linking my internal anal sphincter to the brains had possibly been cut during the J-pouch operation??? He prescribed the use of a catheter (every time I felt the "push") to empty out the pouch. Using K-Y, a huge seringue and distilled water, I was able to liquify the stool enough to empty the pouch and have a comfortable 2-5 hour break in between each defecating (d) session. That was a great relief that lasted nearly 2 years…

In the meantime, I wanted to be free of the all that paraphernalia I had to carry around (like an emergency bag) everywhere I went. So I got back to my surgeon and asked if an other avenue could lead to complete freedom. He proposed I start biofeedback. I did and tried for 12 weeks but it had little to no effect however hard I tried at the clinic and at home with the kegel exercises and so forth… - But afterwords, I never quite understood how biofeedback could work train a muscle on which I supposedly had no control (which connecting nerves was cut????) -

One day, on a normal "d session", just before inserting the catheter inside, I had the idea of pushing hard with a closed fist into my stomach (in the general area of the j-pouch) while banding forward. To my astonishment, I almost emptied the pouch entirely in one push/bend motion. I repeated a few more time and all came out.(gas last)AHHH!!! Wow, that was a happy moment!!!And it's been a great relive since.

Now, 20 years or so later, I still repeat the same movement (~6 X/day) but it started putting a toll on my right shoulder/arm and hand (the one I use to push into my stomach)and possibly my lower back as well(that also gets a lot of pressure) I have to think of yet another way to deal with this issue. I'm not saying that this movement would affect anyone else the same way, but I guess that it depends on how hard and how long you push into your stomach…

Anyhow, I'd like to know what would be your suggestion to deal with a non responding internal sphincter. Would a defecography or anorectal manometry address this issue? If so which specialist would perform such a test?

Thank you

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I do the same thing with my arm at times. It helps me expel gas so I sort of know what you are talking about. I use the "turbo" function on my bidet to give myself small enema's when I feel the need to push too hard. My GI specialist says it's ok to do as we shouldn't let our feces hang around in the j-pouch too long. If you haven't tried this before you might want to see if giving yourself a small enema will help. I would see both an IBD specialist GI and a specialist J-pouch surgeon too. I had an anorectal manometry a few years ago. I passed it so don't know what happens if you don't pass it. I can see how it might help your doctors figure out how to help you. As far as tests go this one was the easiest test I've ever had.

Hopefully someone in the group will suggest great doctors in California.
Good Luck!
TE Marie
I have a COCO bidet. My husband ordered it around a year ago and did the research. It wasn't the cheapest or the most expensive. He got it delivered and all for around $350. We also have an elongated seat so needed to order one that size. I wish I would have had it years earlier! He wired an electrical outlet to operate it. Sad to say that most bathrooms do not have an outlet close by. Yes it is warm water, lol. I use to have a sprayer and it was all cold water. Cold water is better than no water and is refreshing sometimes. You can adjust the water temperature with 3 levels and I use the warmest. It comes with a "turbo" function and this is the one that I use to spray water into my rear end like an enema. I don't know if all brands have this or not. I'd assume they do. There are 3 different kinds of water flow and also "pulsating " to add to those. So there's a lot to play around with in order to find out what you prefer to use.

I still use regular manual enemas before pouchscopes Smiler

I hope you find relief sooner than later.
TE Marie
Tony-I have a bio-bidet i3000 model. $189 ordered online. Hooks to warm water from the sink, no outlet/electricity needed. Has the "enema" (a very powerful spray) function. I love it. Life changing. I got my first one about 4-5 years ago but it was wearing out. Worst part of traveling is not having it (no "travel bidet, squirt bottle, comes close!)
J
I also got a spinal chord stimulator a couple years ago to help with incontinence after my sphincter was damaged during surgery to treat an anal fistula and left me incontinent. They don't really know how it works but it seems that stimulating the sacral nerve causes the sphincter to work better. In my case it is for incontinence and sphincter was only partially damaged and repaired as best as possible. Much testing like you indicated was done before determining I might be a candidate. I only mention this because I had never heard of such a thing until at was seen at Mayo, and even then, I think I was their first ever patient with a pouch to get one.

May be new options for you that have come about in the last 20 years.

In your case, I would start with the bidet idea since you have had success with a "mechanical" Manuver previously.
J
Thanks for all replies. When using the bidet to give yourself an enema, do you have to put the end of the bidet inside the anus? If so, how deep and for how long do you get to push water in? Or when do you know that it's enough water in and you can stop pushing water in?

JJA, what sphincter was partially damaged? Was it the internal or the one closer to the anus? A sacral nerve stimulator sounds good. Where did you get yours?
TL
Good question. You don't stick anything in your anus you are seated on the seat and when you turn it on a little sprayer comes out positioned under your bum. It squirts up and if you have the "turbo" function selected the stream of water is enough to go into your butt hole. That's how you get water in there. I usually turn on a regular cycle to make sure I am positioned in the right place and select turbo then. Sorry if TMI everyone else! I really had NO idea how the bidet was going to be better than my hand held sprayer when we got it. Afterwards I was kicking myself for not getting it 3 years before after my takedown Big Grin
TE Marie
Tony, I don't recall if my sphincter disruption was internal, external or both. I have no idea if a sacral nerve stimulator would help in your case, was just pointing it out, because I Had dealt with my issue for about 12 years on my own, and it wasn't until I was at Rochester Mayo for chronic pouchitis I figured I'd also investigate if there was anything new out there that might help my incontinence. Based on what you have figured out as a way to manage things, I have high hopes that a turbo/enema function bidet could be very real option for you. Your issue seems fairly unique, but it never hurts to ask/investigate if there might be new treatment options out there. Good luck!
J

Hope you don't mind if I revive this thread after almost a year. I had my take down 6 weeks ago and only had 3 or 4 bowel movements early on, and none since. I am now using a large tube to drain while I figure out a better solution, which I hope to be able to poop on my own. The surgeon thinks it's pelvic floor dysfunction so I've been doing biofeedback with no improvement. Any thoughts/Ideas/Suggestions other than those already mentioned above?

Tony, Have you had any improvement/alternative solutions since originally posting? I haven't been able to try the pushing on the abdomen with a still-healing ostomy wound.

M

M2S, I see you've been doing biofeedback. I didn't know that when I suggested it in the other thread. Sometimes it works, sometimes not so much. If you have nerve damage then the longer it persists, the more likely it is to be permanent. That said, it can take a year for damaged nerves to heal. 

What is odd though is the fact that you had some bowel movements early on, then they stopped. Strange. 

Jan

Jan Dollar

Since your shoulder is sore and starting to wear from the years of pressure you might try keep a semi-deflated ball of some sorts (here the hand ball balls are about the right size, bigger than a baseball but smaller than a soccer ball...semi deflated so that you do not hurt yourself) and place it on your abdomen and lean forward...it would put enough pressure on the zone without actually cause bodily harm...I have a silicon yoga ball that is just slightly smaller than a soccer ball and is softer too...that works great as well (I used it for other reasons but in the same way.

Sharon

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