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Hi there.

Saw the new GI guy, along with my surgeon. They reviewed everything, and drew a slew of labs. 12 tubes, ordered anything and everything.

Interestingly, the new GI said that he felt I need B12 shots, and he ordered them for me. My last B12 level was a time ago, but it was high, at 969. He said that in the J pouch population, a high B12 actually means I have a **low** B12, because pouch bacterial overgrowth causes a false high positives in patients like me with an ileoanal reservoir. He said many of his pouch patients present with the fatigue I say I have, and it's due to a truly low serum B12, because the ileum isn't doing the best job, and the B12 shot really improves that for them. So maybe that will help, we will see.

He said that 3 scenarios are possible for the perianal fistula I have. One is that yes, I've developed Crohn's disease. Two, that pouchitis caused inflammation, and the straining and inflammation caused the gland to get infected and abscess, hence, a fistula formed. And three, that they are seeing in pouch patients a likely "new" autoimmune issue... that the body doesn't get ulcerative colitis again, but the same autoimmune trigger is affecting patient's pouches 20-30 years down the road, causing similar type UC symptoms. He said that when they send biopsies to pathologists on old pouches, they can't tell it's small bowel anymore, sometimes. That it makes a sort of "colonic" conversion. That's why he said they think there's this new autoimmune issue likely affecting some folks. It's not Crohn's, it's whatever genetic trigger we may have affecting our "new colon." A permanent ileostomy patient would not have this issue.

So scenario 2, likely no medical treatment for, just keep the seton and observe. Scenarios 1 & 3, autoimmune meds, possibly even Humira and Imuran, to try to close the fistula tract, but possibly lower end meds if deemed something autoimmune but not Crohn's. Or if mild enough, no meds for now, and use a wait and see approach.

They told me to stay on Pepcid for my bloating and heartburn for now. Prevacid works better for me, but it thickens my output too much.

My bloating issues may be SIBO related, too, so we might go THAT route as well.

The low-grade fevers I've been running off and on may be related to pouch issues, he's not 100% sure.

I will have a pouchoscopy on June 11, where they will view the pouch and go as far up the small bowel above it as they can. If I have issues in the pouch only, then consider only pouch things; ulcers above it, they get suspicious for Crohn's.

My CRS did the rectal and said I wasn't strictured at the moment, that all felt good. Actually what he said is that "it's a very smooth and pliable anus and she will have no problem with a scope." He's German, and a hoot.

So that's my GI news. All in all, he seemed pretty up to date and spot on. He and my daughter's GI have a once a week meeting between the Children's Hospital team and the adult team, so that's interesting and helpful for them in keeping up on the latest data and transitioning patients smoothly around age 18.

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Interesting stuff, Rachel! I'll have to look into the B12 thing. I know that with some other tests, like calcium, serum levels can be misleading, because they don't reflect intercellular levels.

But, more interesting is the possibility of different treatment on your horizon. Sounds like your GI actually individualizes his plan, which I love!

Jan Smiler
Jan Dollar
Thanks so much for sharing this information, Rachel. I too had/have very high B12 levels, and am fatigued. Now ... how to get my GI or GP to go along with the idea of shots. Have you also taken B and B12 supplements? I'm wondering if supplements could work in place of shots. Please keep us updated as to how you are feeling after your shots?

Your 3 scenarios for the fistula is also of great interest. (Dr. Shen felt scenario 2 was mine - he called it - I think - cryptoglandular.

So ... if we were to convert to a permanent ileostomy at this point (my pouch is 21 yrs old), our "new autoimmune" issues would go away? I've been mulling a permanent ileostomy over since my fistula appeared....

I am going to print off your information here and take it with me when I see my CRS in early April - going to have the seton replaced.

Your new GI sounds like a gem - congrats on finding him, and thanks again for sharing your information.
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Yes, I believe he said that the autoimmune attack on the pouch would be ended with its removal, because the small bowel then stays small bowel, and doesn't do a conversion like it does in the pouch where stool sits.

He said oral supplements don't work well for us, because it's the absorption issue we have. I've tried them without luck of feeling better.

I'm really, really curious what my labs will show. I do know that at the abscess time, my C-reactive protein was 0.7something, which is high on the normal scale (to 0.8), but once it burst, and I had the fistula form, it dropped to 0.1something. I KNOW there is something going on with me, but it's all weird vague symptoms, and I just feel off and DIFFERENT and tired and blah, and not myself, and it's been going on for the past 2 years.
rachelraven
I am in quite the same boat - I had a CRP of 95 when I was at my worst (2004ish). After the fistula finally found its way out, things mostly settled, according to labs, but I still feel "not right", including the fatigue.

To rule out extraintestinal(?) causes, my GP has done chest X-rays, CT scans (found emphysema, which is weird, as I never smoked), looked for sinus infections, done echocardiograms, etc. etc. Nothing.

Hope you find answers and get to feeling better soon.
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That is some really interesting information. Thanks for sharing it. Let us know if the b-12 injections work for you.

I used them for awhile but didn't notice any improvement. But maybe I wasn't on them long enough. I moved out of state and never went back on them. Currently using liquid B complex with high potency B-12. Just started so can't say if it's helping. In the past I've had trouble with b complex because they're so over the top in potency, but I found some pretty mild ones except the b-12 in it is extremely high.

As for your other issues, sorry you have to go through all that. Let us know what happens.

-Roni*
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