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I apologize in advance for the length of this post. The first part is background. The concern is toward the end – severe dehydration.
I am not BarbC, I am her other half.
Barb has encountered what we thought was a blockage. She has very little output, but a continual pressure and the urge to evacuate. Not much comes out but small particles. Per the doctor’s suggestion to stay off Imodium and harsh laxatives, she uses prune juice in an attempt to get some movement, but the liquid seems to seep around the 'blockage' or whatever it is that is preventing the output. All of this with a considerable amount of straining.
Over the past several months, she has had a pouch exam (using a sigmoidoscope). The surgeon said that the J-pouch looks perfect, but empty. He suspected that she was impacted, so he ordered a CT scan. His review of the scan confirmed that Barb’s intestines were full (even the J-pouch at the time of the scan). He scheduled an appointment with his associate to perform a J-pouch exam, going further than he could without anesthesia. It seems that the prep procedure cleaned her out. The J-pouch is in good shape, there were a couple of very small ulcers near the J-pouch exit, which the doctor sent for biopsy – they came back negative for Crohn's or cancer. He suggested a GI Series (small bowel -- barium enema) to see if there was a twist or other obstruction. That came out completely negative -- no strictures, no obstructions, no fecal impaction, nothing to indicate a problem. As soon as she started eating, again, her output slowed to almost a stop.
The doctor determined that she needed to learn how to poop, again. He referred Barb to a physical therapist for physical therapy with bio-feedback. Now, months of doing all these extra exercises, she remains in the same condition.
She has had another small bowel series and everything points to no physical blockage. The surgeon now feels that the UC diagnosis may be wrong and referred Barb back to the GI to eliminate the possibility of Crohn’s Disease. A blood test, Prometheus IBD sgi diagnostic, was ordered. Blood was drawn this past week. We should know the results this coming week.
In the meantime, the GI doctor ordered a Capsule Endoscopy in two weeks. His assumption is that the previous tests having showed no mechanical blockage would minimize the risks – we sure hope so, since it requires an operation if the capsule gets stuck.
Now for the real reason of this post, since last December, Barb had been in the hospital three times for severe dehydration. This past Saturday, she started vomiting for no reason (no illness). We got home from an evening out just in time for her to start having diarrhea. The vomiting stopped, but she remained nauseated and the diarrhea continued until after the paramedics had her in the ER.
Barb’s BP upon arrival in the ER was 42/36. The ER staff struggled to get an IV started because Barb’s veins were collapsed from lack of fluid. Once they got her stabilized, she continued to have labile BP. After five liters of fluid, two doses of Cipro and Flagyl, and a few hours of observation in a step-down unit, they deemed her fit to be discharged.
Does anyone else have these rapid dehydration issues? Barb’s start as though her intestines are full and when the stomach tries to empty it is into a system that is already too full and there is no place for the stomach contents to go but back from the direction it entered, through vomiting. Once the vomiting starts, the extra pressure on the gut from the retching causes the clearing out the intestines.
Is there any way to head off severe dehydration when the only indication is vomiting without being ill? Obviously drinking is out of the question since that comes right back out. Each time this happens, her BP drops to the point of her passing out and I call 911.
I appreciate any thoughts.
Stan

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I am so sorry Stan,
You are probably right on with your 'diagnosis'...she is probably getting either a mechanical twist or has some adhesions (which do not show up on most scans or other exams)that are causing regular blockages...On the one end, nothing can go down, on the other, everything that went in has to come back up and out...and yes, she hits dehydration fast.
What you are describing is typical occlusion or blockage. What I don't know is why her BP bottoms out so fast...How much does she weigh? How is her iron level? If she is really anemic or undernourished then that may contribute to her passing out but I know of no way around this other than getting her to ER as soon as this process starts...don't wait until she looses conciousness.
The best possible solution would be to find out where these blocages are coming from (adhesions, kink, stenosis...)and resolve it so that they don't happen again.
Does she usually have a low BP? Or is this unusual for her?
I have no advice for you, just hopes that you find a speedy solution.
Please send Barb my best.
Sharon
skn69
HI Sharon,
Her weight is holding around 116. As the intestines fill, she gets up to around 119-120. All of her blood work appears normal, including iron and she is not actually anemic. They were prepared to give her blood this last time, but her numbers climbed right up to where they should be with the IV fluids, so they did not have to give her any.
I have to give her a warm water enema when she gets too filled up. The pouch seems empty of anything but gas, when I administer it. But, just doing that does seem to cause peristalsis, which does bring out a little of the accumulated 'stuff' from higher up
Barb's usual BP is in the 'normal' range, but on the low side, 98/60.
I am getting readings above what she normally has, 135/80, with my home BP monitor. But I think that may be due to the fluid that she still has in her system from Saturday.
Stan
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This sure sounds awful Stan. Has she been worked up by an endocrinologist, because this does not sound like simple dehydration. It sounds like a massive hormone response to the wretching, etc., as in the acute obstruction is a trigger. I am thinking of something to do with the pituitary and/or adrenal glands (such as Addison's disease). If she has not been evaluated in that area, I would ask for a referral to see if there is something they are missing because they are assuming it is all mechanical. It is possible to have simultaneous problems going on with the same symptoms (I have personal experience in that department).

Of course, it could also be from the repeated obstructions. If that is the case, it is likely adhesions causing the problem and exploratory surgery is the only answer. I hope the camera pill endoscopy shows what is going on in there. I would not worry too much about it getting stuck and her needing surgical removal, because it sounds like she is heading to surgery eventually if she keeps this up.

I wish I had something more clever to tell you. I will be keeping my fingers crossed for her (and YOU too!). You are a doll to be coming here for her.

Jan Smiler
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Scott F,
Yes, we have tried liquid diet when the flow does start, but it does not seem to have much effect. She was on a regular diet, avoiding hard to digest items such as beef, pork, salads when all three of the last three episodes struck. Interesting, the last two episodes began with her having soup (incompressible liquid which sort of explains the mechanics that I assumed in my original post) for the main course prior to the vomiting.
After the nausea passed, Barb was able to keep the liquids down without any problem.

Jan,
The ER doctor ordered so many different blood tests, that it was hard to keep track of all of them. He did mention that he was going to test for both the adrenal gland's and pituitary gland's operation. He was highly concerned that she had been on Prednisone, which does suppress the adrenal gland functionality.
Barb has had so many things go wrong, that I would not at all be surprised by something such as Addison's Disease slipping into the picture. No, an endocrinologist is just about the only specialist that Barb has not seen so far. I am leaning toward the repeated obstruction theory, myself. The obstruction seems rather high in her abdomen, just below the rib cage on her left side. After we get the results back from the IBD test and the Capsule endoscopy, it would not be too hard to get a referral to the endocrinologist. especially if all results are negative.

I wish that there was a early warning that would predict the onset of these episodes so that I could get her there before needing to call 911. I appreciate the concern and the support of the community.

Stan
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I was thinking of both an obstruction issue and endocrine issue because her decompensation is so rapid ans severe. If it was just obstruction, I would not expect this to cascade into a life threatening situation so rapidly. That's why it sort of rang a bell for me in regard to Addisonian crisis. The stress of an acute obstruction could trigger an Addisonian crisis. So, even if there is a stricture or adhesion related problems, I would seek an endocrine referral, or at least some screening tests. Maybe the ER doc covered it, but it can be tricky to pin down. If she needs surgery, it would be very important to know if adrenal insufficiency is an added problem.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/heal...61/DSECTION=symptoms

Jan Smiler
Jan Dollar
Scott,
I agree that there is no blood test that can predict the precise IBD causing the problems with 100% accuracy. It is just another stone that we will be turning over. The pathology report of the damaged colon tested negatively for Crohn's and the lab said that the results indicated UC. However, as in your situation, indeterminate colitis could be a possible diagnosis which is what the surgeon was saying after the first few visits checking on Barb's J-pouch health. It was the surgeon who requested more tests for anything that could provide more data and rule out Crohn’s. The same is true for the Capsule Endoscopy, more data. If it finds lesions or adhesion points, it means more data. I really hope all test result with negativity – no Crohn’s, no cancer, no adhesions, no obstructions, etc… We can live with just about any diagnosis; the rapid dehydration is the scary part for me. I was not sure that Barb would be leaving the hospital with me this last time, it was that bad.

Jan,
I checked out the Mayo site. Only two items are in Barb’s set of symptoms -- low blood pressure, even fainting Nausea; diarrhea or vomiting. She does have joint and muscle pain, but those are limited to her shoulders and neck, which are supposedly due to PMR. Her appetite is fine, but she hates the thought of getting sick. I will send an email to the GI doctor to ask for a referral, our primary care physician is on vacation – how dare him.
I had a tough time resting last night, Barb was very tired and she was not feeling up to par. She had no nausea and her blood pressure was fine just before going to bed, but I still had a restless night. She did manage to sleep seven hours in the ten hour time frame. She was up two times 'trying' to pass the stool that she felt was ready to come out, but didn't.

I do appreciate the thoughts and concern.
Stan
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first I am so sorry your poor wife is going through this and I commend you for trying to find some answers.

I don't recall adrenal insufficiency as being a simple blood test so I don't know what they tested in the ER. If I remember correctly adrenal insufficiency is tested with an outpatient hospital stay where they dose you up with steroids and check the results. I remember being checked for this on two different occasions and I passed once and I failed once.

But more importantly, I recall reading the attached blog from a young lady who suffered with very similar symptoms as you described barb has.

http://hannah-semicolon.blogspot.com/

And like you.. it was a lengthy chase to get to some diagnosis and resolution. I apologize for not recalling the details, something about POTS and adrenal insuffiency. Her situation was as critical as Barb's.

I imagine you can read though the blog tonight and see if any of it relates. I also suspect you can contact Hannah through the blog site for further questions info.
I do hope this may provide one avenue for some answers.

best wishes to both of you stan.
liz.
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Liz,
That blog is one hard read. That young lady has had to endure more than most of us would see in a lifetime. She is humorous, serious and positive through it all. When I started reading the part regarding her adrenal insufficiency, it reaffirmed what Jan posted. It is time to see an endocrinologist! Semi-Colon has not blogged since August. I hope that she is OK.
Barb has been on Prednisone several times. It all started with a high dosage (40 mg) trying to combat the UC starting March 2011. The UC symptoms got worse. She was started on Remicade which seemed to work in the first few days. Unfortunately, there was an abscess (perforated colon with fecal matter adhering to Barb's ovaries) that had not shown up in the CT scans, so they assumed that the UC stopped responding to the Remicade and told us that surgery was the only answer. More steroids followed with a loading dose of IV steroids to keep her alive during the surgery -- she was quite ill -- June 2001. They took her off the Prednisone after surgery. Then there were more IV steroids for the take-down. In March 2011, Prednisone became a constant when Barb was diagnosed with PMR. With PMR, the dosage was just 20 mg. Several times during the taper off, the pain became very severe and the dosage was juggled around. She tapered down to 6 mg and the doctor started her on Methotrexate (10 mg)to help with the pain. Barb is now at 4 mg of Prednisone and up to 15 mg of Methotrexate. So, yes, steroid induced adrenal insufficiency is a real possibility.
Thanks for the link.
Stan
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Hi Stan,

I am new to the site and see this is an old post, but wondered how your wife is doing and if you have any suggestions of things that have helped her. I had j-pouch surgery 4 years ago after having UC for 7 years. I have had Chronic Pouchitis since June 2011. I have never met anyone else who has dealt with severe, rapid dehydration the way I have. I have been hospitalized multiple times for it with some of the same symptoms as your wife. They can never get a blood pressure read when I first arrive at the hospital, usually takes a while to get an IV in due to dehydration, pulse gets into the 40s, nutrient levels are off-the-charts low, fainting, etc. In each of these instances, they have kept me 3-4 days until my blood pressure stabilizes and nutrient levels are somewhat replenished. I am getting better at identifying when this is happening earlier so I have started to avoid some of the passing out and can get to the hospital sooner, but it is still an issue. I don't have the blockage issue, so that is not something I can relate to.

The doctors haven't been able to identify the trigger for these bouts and when it happens, it happens fast (fainting within 6-8 hours of nausea starting). I am curious if they have been able to identify any of this for your wife. I hope things have improved for you since your last post...

Thank you,
Anne
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