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Hi there!
I've had my j-pouch for 25 years now, with relatively few complications until recently when I began having difficulty emptying completely, even with watery output. It's led to 2 blockages this year - both resolved without surgery, but one with 4 days in the hospital with ileus afterward.

I'm on Cipro daily for chronic pouchitis now, and have a history of occasional fissures (maybe 1-2 per year, with one abscessed and repaired surgically about 6 yrs ago). I've also had 4 dilations of scar tissue at the anastomosis site this past year, with no relief of emptying troubles. Straining (bad, I know) has caused a growing diverticula in the pouch, and hiatal hernia.

I've recently seen a motility specialist, who ran defecography and anal manometry tests, and said it doesn't seem to be a sphincter muscle problem - it's a narrowing/stricture issue. But my gastro (after a recent scope) says the stricture is open now, and feels that it really IS a muscle coordination issue. I saw a colorectal surgeon today, who did an exam, looked at my tests, and thinks that although the manometry was perfectly normal, there was something on the defecography that suggests it *could* be a muscle issue.

SO, she's recommending 6-8 wks of biofeedback and Botox injections, with the warning that the Botox could cause incontinence for the 3 months it's active, especially for pouch people. I'm wondering:

--since they ran the manometry test twice and all was normal, isn't this the same thing they target with biofeedback? If my 'relaxation skills' were normal during this test (with electrodes, and having you push, relax, repeat, etc.), what would biofeedback do differently?
--Botox - is this helpful for anyone on the boards? I searched here and found some comments on incontinence and failures of Botox, but nothing positive thus far.
--which leads me to the question for the pharmaceutically minded: would it be possible to try a topical paralytic like nifedipine cream or maybe the belladonna and opium suppositories to see if the sphincter paralysis helps with emptying, before jumping to a 3 month commitment with Botox? Is there a topical drug that would come closest to Botox's effects? I'm seeing my gastro's PA next week and will ask for something like this, if so.
--OR should I just skip all of this and make an appt with Dr. Shen? I feel like I'm 'tested out' at this point, with too many conflicting answers from the docs, and wondering if this could be something altogether different than what they're discussing.

Sorry for the length! Any advice is appreciated!

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Hi Renee,

I have had my pouch for 30 years, and started experiencing difficulty emptying about 5 years ago.

In my case, and perhaps this could be also be a problem for you, the anatomy of my pouch changed to the point where it lost its original shape (no longer a "j-pouch"), became over stretched, and led to difficulty with evacuation.

Maybe a CT enterography would be helpful in ensuring that your pouch is in its proper shape.

One thing I tried to assist with emptying was to self administer water enemas once in the morning and then again at night.

If I were in your shoes, I would not try BOTOX until your diagnosis is determined and you can have a reasonable idea as to what is causing difficulty evacuating.

I understand that Dr. Shen is excellent at diagnosis (just by the comments on this board), so it might be worth seeing him. I have never had any dealings with Dr. Shen, so I can only go by what others have commented.

I know things can change, but if your pouch has worked for 20 years, I somehow doubt it could be a muscle issue (although I am not a doctor, so please understand this is just my opinion).

Good luck and feel free to reach out if you have any questions.

Thanks,

Solomin
S
Renee,
I have had emptying issues on and off and it has always been due to my stricture and narrowing at the anastomosis. Also inflammation in the rectal cuff can cause emptying issues. Have they done a pouchiscopy to confirm your opening is still not narrowed? If it truly is a stricture narrowing you can try drinking more water, bulking your stool with Metamucil which in my case opens and stretches the outlet more from passing thicker stool. You can also try mild exercise and walking which increases blood flow to this area. I would not do the bulking without a doctor's consult first due to your past obstructions. Also, I have used both rectiv and nifedipine in the past. The rective does help with the fissures but gives you a nasty headache. The nifedipine never seemed to do much of anything for me to relax the muscles but you can give it a try. I would certainly try that before the Botox. Rectal suppositories will help if you have cuff inflammation.
J
I would not recommend Botox injections at the same time as biofeedback. The reason is that you cannot tell which treatment is effective. Botox is specifically used to treat fissures, so unless that is a current issue, I don't see the point. Basically, it is a chemical sphincterotomy and the value is that it wears off after three months, so it is not a permanent thing (a good thing if there is the side effect of incontinence).

Anal manometry tests sphincter tone and function. Biofeedback targets pelvic floor muscles. So no, not the same set of muscles. Biofeedback is worth trying because it is noninvasive and no side effects.

Nifedipine is not equivalent to Botox. It does treat fissures, but it iis not a paralytic. It is a vasodilator and works by improving arterial circulation to the area. So, again, unless fissures are your current issue, I don't see the value.

B&O suppositories may be helpful because they may help reduce spasms in the sphincters that might contribute to your emptying difficulties.

If you can see Dr. Shen, it might be a good idea, since his experience is so vast with problem pouches. A third set of eyes on the situation could be very helpful, especially since you have conflicting opinions.

Jan Smiler
Jan Dollar
Regarding the subject of pelvic floor dysfunction and biofeedback vs manomotry, I had Dr. Schroeder and Dr. Shen retrain my muscles similar to kegal excersises. I've had my j-pouch for over 21 years and I did a few biofeedback sessions which I believe helped but eventually I still wound up having several strictures and rectal cuff tightening thus leading to enlarged pouch, weakened (as the Dr.''s in Houston) put it flabby pouch. Basically biofeedback may work for some people but it was not the smoking gun answer for me. I went on Remicade due to a change in diagnosis to Crohn's and my constipation is worse than ever now. I too have to use creative methods colonics, enemas, 50ml syringes attached to catheters am and pm to evacuate "completely" my pouch. Apparently for us "old timers" with the pouch our muscles are much weaker and straining has caused this along with childbirth, obstructions etc. etc. My Houston Dr.'s have me scheduled for monomotry after telling them I did biofeedback which I don't think they know the difference either. Just in case I have an appt scheduled with Dr. Strong and Shen in two months after much pain and loss of quality of life lately seriously hoping the miracle makers at CC can help. I don't think anyone knows since we are basically pioneers for long term J-Pouches 20+ yrs. It's been a good run though and for that I'm eternally grateful. Smiler
T
This may be a silly question but have you had any dilations for your strictures and narrowing? I have had about five since my takedown two years ago and the last was the most successful. It was just a manual finger dilationu under anesthesia but it has significantly reduced my struggle with emptying my pouch. I did bleed a it after the stretching but it has been a Godsend for me. Keeping my inflammation at bay at my anastomosis connection has also helped with this issue.
J

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