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I saw that there are plenty of J-Pouch polls that were taken and posted on this site. Has the same been done with K-Pouches and I just happened to miss it? I have no idea how to set up polling questions but I'm on the verge of getting a K-Pouch if all goes well next week with my surgeon and I would love to have that info available to me. I'm sure others would agree.


Diagnosed with UC: 1995
Tried EVERYTHING for 15 Years
Step 1: 8/24/2010
Takedown: 11/30/2010
 
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Again, if you have Crohn's then both the j-pouch and k-pouch are contraindicated. If you go ahead with the procedure and have problems down the line which might necessitate removal of the j- or k-pouch you could end up with much more serious problems if they have to remove too much of your bowel. You could end up with a short-bowel condition.

kathy Big Grin


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And what if I don't have Crohns? Then what? What if all three tests, the prometheus serum 7, the MRI, and the capsule endoscopy, and my 15 years of being diagnosed with only UC in the sigmoid region say otherwise. The ONLY reason Dr. Smith thinks it could be Crohns is because of the two perianal fistulas I had back in 2005. That is it. No other reason.

And look at it this way, if it turns out to be Crohns, then it's going to infect my small intestine regardless, K pouch included. So I'm screwed regardless of whether I do the K Pouch or the permanent ileostomy. The surgeon said I could lose perhaps 2' of small intestine if they had to remove the K Pouch. What if they remove that much and it still comes back? See, either way, I'm going to be screwed if that happens.


Diagnosed with UC: 1995
Tried EVERYTHING for 15 Years
Step 1: 8/24/2010
Takedown: 11/30/2010
 
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Kathy, not true. Some members here have crohns and the kpouch. If the rectum is gone a jpouch is not an option. Unfortunately, some jpouches fail or the rectum is removed from disease. And some have had fistulas.

Deathstalker, your surgeon will be the best to tell you if you are a candidate or not. Then, read read read all the posts here from us kpouchers/bcirs to make a decision. There are alot of naysayers but for many of us, this is a great alternative. It is not without risks or complication as with both the j or k pouches. And, the end ileo can always be the last resort if all surgeries fail.


Proctocolectomy 1979; Kock Pouch 1980; valve repairs 1980/83/85; Cholecystectomy (gallbladder) 1987
 
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Janice,
I've been reading as much as I can on the K Pouch forum. The ONE thing I wish we had access to though is the polling data like the J Pouch forum has. I'd love to know the following:

1) What percent of K Pouchers have had pouchitis? Of those, how many cases were treatable with antibiotics?

2) What is the success rate of K Pouches?

3) How much better are BCIR and newer K Pouch procedures in terms of slipped valves versus the older procedures?

4) How long does it take to intubate the pouch on average? How many times a day

5) What is the average recovery time at home following the procedure?

6) Of those with K Pouches, are there any members who have not had follow-up complications with the valve slipping, etc.?

7) If the K Pouchers could do it again, would they have the same procedure done or would they opt for the end. ileostomy?

8) What kind of activities are K Pouchers limited to (if any).

9) Of those who have had both K Pouches and then end ileostomies, which did you prefer?


Diagnosed with UC: 1995
Tried EVERYTHING for 15 Years
Step 1: 8/24/2010
Takedown: 11/30/2010
 
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Kathy, not true. Some members here have crohns and the kpouch. If the rectum is gone a jpouch is not an option. Unfortunately, some jpouches fail or the rectum is removed from disease. And some have had fistulas.
Janice - I think you misread what I wrote. I didn't say that people can't have a k-, or a j-pouch if they have CD. I said it was contraindicated which means that a particular treatment or procedure isn't advisable. I know that there are members here who have CD and have k-, or j-pouches. Some of those people are having a difficult time of it.

As I mentioned before, having multiple procedures can lead to short-bowel syndrome. That should be taken into account.

I am not a naysayer regarding any procedure and that includes the k-pouch procedure.

kathy Big Grin


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1) What percent of K Pouchers have had pouchitis? Of those, how many cases were treatable with antibiotics? Pouchitis is less common with a continent ostomy then jpouch is my understanding from my surgeon. And, yes treatable with antibiotics.

2) What is the success rate of K Pouches? Colorectal surgeons say the rate is 10% - same as the jpouch, but for different reasons.

3) How much better are BCIR and newer K Pouch procedures in terms of slipped valves versus the older procedures? It's hard to measure because both are a small community. I would think they are equal. To me, it's about the skill set of the surgeon - PERIOD.

4) How long does it take to intubate the pouch on average? How many times a day? Depends on how good you chew your food. The food has to pass through the small holes of the catheter. I have thinner so it's fast - under 3 minutes. I don't need to irrigate (you take a syringe of water and insert it through the end of the cath, to thin out the poo), which can add a little time. I empty after meals and before bedtime. Sometimes less or more, depending of if I ate gassy foods.

5) What is the average recovery time at home following the procedure? Your surgeon should define all the specifics on how he handles aftercare. But, most surgeons require you to be home for three weeks with a catheter constanting draining into a leg beg while the pouch matures in size. It is a tiring process, you have to empty every few hours and then go longer as the pouch stretches. I went back to work in four to six weeks.

6) Of those with K Pouches, are there any members who have not had follow-up complications with the valve slipping, etc.? You will have to do a poll to get this. I bet many have eventually had a slippage. Some right away (me included) some much later. They are fixable, yes another surgery, but doable.

7) If the K Pouchers could do it again, would they have the same procedure done or would they opt for the end. ileostomy? I did not like my end ileo and have been blessed with my kpouch for over 30 yrs. I personally would continue any repairs needed to save it.

8) What kind of activities are K Pouchers limited to (if any). None, but I think deep sea diving. And maybe parachuting - something with the gravity.

9) Of those who have had both K Pouches and then end ileostomies, which did you prefer? It's no secret here that I love my kpouch.


Proctocolectomy 1979; Kock Pouch 1980; valve repairs 1980/83/85; Cholecystectomy (gallbladder) 1987
 
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Kathy, thanks so much. Few more questions for you.

1 Why did you opt for the K Pouch and not the J Pouch?

2. Can you explain the "slippage" scenario for me? I understand that there is a flat stoma that you intubate. What exactly slips though? The living tissue collar that is made up of the small intestine? I'm hazy on this issue.


Diagnosed with UC: 1995
Tried EVERYTHING for 15 Years
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Takedown: 11/30/2010
 
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Kathy, thanks so much. Few more questions for you.
I think these questions are for Janice.


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1 Why did you opt for the K Pouch and not the J Pouch? They were doing jpouches at the time. My UC trashed my rectum. I still have strong anal spincter muscles to this day, but not a candidate back then and now of course since it was removed during my end ileo.

2. Can you explain the "slippage" scenario for me? I understand that there is a flat stoma that you intubate. What exactly slips though? The living tissue collar that is made up of the small intestine? I'm hazy on this issue. A slipped valve is an internal mechanism problem with the valve. It "slips" from it's original location - or changes. The cause is usually unknown why. It can cause difficulty inserting the cath and/or gas leak/poo leak (incontinence).

Janice


Proctocolectomy 1979; Kock Pouch 1980; valve repairs 1980/83/85; Cholecystectomy (gallbladder) 1987
 
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My bad, that is who I was referring to. My apology. Sorry for getting so rattled and quick to react. I'm really feeling the pressure right now and tired of all these exams, doc appointments, etc. I know you've all been here too so I'll put the violin away now.


Diagnosed with UC: 1995
Tried EVERYTHING for 15 Years
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Takedown: 11/30/2010
 
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You might also want to contact Bill J - the founder and moderator of our site. He has a k-pouch.

kathy Big Grin


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Thanks Kathy. Will definitely do.


Diagnosed with UC: 1995
Tried EVERYTHING for 15 Years
Step 1: 8/24/2010
Takedown: 11/30/2010
 
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Many males have had recent surgeries in addition to our awesome founder of the kkorner.

they are not on this site much now they are out and about enjoying life.

KeithO, LesW and many others. Reach out!! I can hook you up directly if you want, send me a pm.


Proctocolectomy 1979; Kock Pouch 1980; valve repairs 1980/83/85; Cholecystectomy (gallbladder) 1987
 
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1 Why did you opt for the K Pouch and not the J Pouch? They were doing jpouches at the time. My UC trashed my rectum. I still have strong anal spincter muscles to this day, but not a candidate back then and now of course since it was removed during my end ileo.


Janice, do you still have your anus then or did they give you a "barbie butt" as I'm told they call it once they sew it up. I'm curious because I want to know what they may end up doing with mine (setons included).

Also, just got a call from Washington Hospital Center and the capsule endoscopy showed no signs of inflammation in the small bowel and the doc said even the right side of the colon looked great! My guess is that the camera doesn't pick up the rest of the colon or I'm sure he would have told me those results as well. It sucks that I can't get the J Pouch due to the fistulas but it is what it is. I still think I don't have CD. Can't wait to hear back on the Serum 7 blood work, which I should get tomorrow or Monday at the latest.


Diagnosed with UC: 1995
Tried EVERYTHING for 15 Years
Step 1: 8/24/2010
Takedown: 11/30/2010
 
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